Time for “The Talk” … about Race
Posted by KimOct 12
It’s still early Fall, but we can tell this is the school year to start the in-depth conversations with the boys about discussing their race with others.
They know about race, have been able to rattle off from the age of three that they’re Latino; that their ancestors and Fred’s and mine came from different places on the globe (even before they really understood what “ancestors” were); and that that’s why our skin and hair and eyes are different colors. As we’ve studied different countries of the world, they’ve learned that people in different regions look different, eat different foods, have different customs, but also have many global similarities.
But how to “explain themselves?” No, we haven’t covered that yet. Haven’t had to in prior years. People always approached Fred or me and asked about the boys. I’ve mentioned before that I’ve gotten less and less free (particularly with strangers) as the twins have gotten older. I’ve become more sensitive to their privacy and identities. And the adoption itself has passed more into the “old history” category for us. (Sometimes we forget that it’s “new” to everyone we encounter for the first time.)
But it’s time to arm our young chicos to speak for themselves. Two recent incidents (fortunately both right in front of us, so we know about them!) have brought this to the fore.
Incident #1: The Chick-fil-A Mis-Match
My sister-in-law invited us to join their family for our niece’s school fund-raiser Chick-fil-A night last week, and while we were all sitting at the table, one of Mary’s little girl friends came over to say hi. Mary introduced the boys as her cousins about whom she’d told her, and this little gal glanced at them, then back at Mary and observed, “They don’t look a thing like you.”
Then, no doubt looking to make sense of it, she scanned around the table, “They don’t look a thing like any of you.”
She’s about 8 or so years old, and she didn’t mean anything by it except to state what she was seeing right in front of herself. When she’s older, she’ll probably know better than to be so blunt. But there it was.
Incident #2: The Chinese/Mexican Neighborly Intro
Our kids were playing a few blocks away from our house one afternoon a couple weeks before Chick-fil-A, and a little boy and girl they hadn’t met before came out of their house and sat under their front tree. This time it was my kids making first observations:
Twin: Hi! You look like your ancestors are from Asia. Are you Chinese, or Japanese?
Boy Neighbor: We’re Korean. What are you? Mexican?
Twin: No, we’re from Guatemala. It’s next to Mexico, but south.
[A-ha-ha-ha... Well at least everyone got that straightened out up-front! Not sure that's quite how the other set of parents and I would've done it, but...]
But clearly, aside from what “labeling and filing” the kids already know it’s time for more discussion of race. Like how and when it is polite to inquire.
But even more importantly – to our family - how and when the boys should explain their own heritage and why they don’t “match” us. To be clear, we don’t believe they “should” have to every time someone seems like they’re fishing for information. But we want to give the boys some options so they never feel completely caught off-guard or cornered.
It’s going to happen to them and to us for the rest of our lives. No time like the present to get started! (And as I think about it, no time like the present for Fred and for me to hear from them what they do and don’t want us to share with other adults!)
I’d love to hear from others of you who have had these conversations with your kids, or those of you from mixed-race families, or any of you who are just so socially proactive that you’re all on top of this issue! Comments and suggestions welcome!
I’ll post again after the boys and we have our first few talks.
10 comments
Comment by An on October 12, 2010 at 1:40 pm
My kids are still young, so we haven’t talked about this with them yet. I am Asian and my husband is not. My adopted son is of the same race as me, and my bio son is mixed.
For us, the comments are a little different because both of my sons look like mine, but one is obviously mixed and one isn’t. So we get fishing comments like “are they twins?” (this is the most common as they are the same size and height) or “this one looks like you and this one looks like your husband” or one time when I was alone, “do they have the same father?”
For a while, my husband would tell them, “no, he is adopted” but we have since talked about how we shouldn’t broadcast this fact to every stranger. At the same time it just seems kind of silly. It’s like the “where are you from?” question. I have no real answer… just sorta rambling.
Based on scenario 2, your kids seem to be doing just fine, though!
Comment by Jennifer Distefano on October 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm
I’m a lurker but just had to comment on this. Our son is 7 and homeschooled (1st grade too) and came home from Guatemala in 2004. I have so enjoyed your blog and check in pretty much daily. My husband is Italian….very. Today my little Guatemalan son said he was sooooo glad that he was Italian like Mario and Luigi from Super Mario Bros.
) He completely knows he is Hispanic but was hopeful that he was Italian. I just told him he comes from a family with 2 great cultures to celebrate. I am just rambling too! No real advice. I cant wait to see what you get though!
Comment by Kim on October 12, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Oh fun! Two new people! Nice to meet you!
@An – I have a friend whose son doesn’t look like her because her hubby had all the dominant genes from his side of the racial mix. So she gets “Where did you GET him?’ from time to time. To which she replies, “My uterus.” Usually does the trick in shutting down the nosiness. Dying for a similar retort for myself!
@Jennifer – thanks for un-lurking, if only for an instant! We tried our first attempt at a conversation this evening. Good, but a bit comical. Fred and I are all serious and the boys are not into the weight of the subject AT ALL. Haha, well we’ll try again and differently!
Comment by Amy on October 13, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Kim,
I noticed this interest over the weekend when I was watching them for you. They asked me if I had the “To the left, to the left” song (their words) by Beyonce, and as soon as I put it in the car stereo Bear asked really loudly: “Is Beyonce BLACK?” I was really glad the car windows were up, ’cause I was embarressed. I told them she had tan skin, but darker, and Bear volunteered that he had tan skin too. I passed them the CD jacket to look at, and both boys inspected it thoroughly, and asked me questions about where she was, and why she was posing with Alligators and that kind of thing. I told them that Beyonce had some African and probably some other things in her like most Americans do. That was the best I could do on short notice.
Those questions really catch me off guard!
Comment by Lisa (fred's sister) on October 13, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Wow Kim….I must have missed that statement at Chick Fil A. Mary was playing with a girl once at Mc Donalds and was calling her her brown friend. I thought it was because that was the color shirt she had on. It wasn’t. It was because the color of her skin. If I happen to say she was black, Mary would say no she’s brown. It’s actually nice that skin color doesn’t really matter to kids.
Comment by Jennifer Distefano on October 13, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Last year in kindergarten Joe insisted on coloring any picture of himself with the brown crayon. INSISTED. He is very very proud of his dark skin.
) He just loves to tease his big sisters (ages 17 and 15) that even though they lay in the sun at the pool they will never, ever, have as beautiful skin as he does.
I promise none of us ever prompted this. Such self confidence.
)
Comment by Lisa~ on October 14, 2010 at 10:31 am
My sister married a Hispanic man and had four beautiful children that look nothing like any of us. That husband is now gone. So when they go anywhere people always ask if they are adopted. My sister smiles and replies, “Does it matter? They’re my children either way.” I love that!
Her kids got a bit obsessed with skin color and eye color and how they looked so different from everyone else in the family when they were about the age of your boys. But now, 7-8 years later I don’t think they ever give it a thought. It’s a phase. You and Fred are doing such a great job of keeping the boys’ culture and history alive that they should have no problem understanding. We all are different. Lisa~
Comment by Courtney on October 24, 2010 at 10:55 am
Really glad you are bloggin about this!!!!!!!
Comment by Kim on November 7, 2010 at 12:30 am
Thanks for stopping by, Courtney!
Comment by Linda Watt on April 17, 2012 at 4:11 am
Our oldest is adopted from Africa where we have lived and work for the past 18 years!
When our daughter was small, we got the “Who is her parents?” question a lot. When I point to us, they would want to know who her father was. We used to carry her adoption decree with us when we traveled here in Africa b/c we would get questioned if we were her parents.
Once in Toronto at a Chuckee Cheese restaurant our daughter was stopped and not allowed to come in without her parents. We were with her! They got a piece of my mind that day! it did not matter that we were with a Chinese family! We have not been to a Chuckee Cheese since. She remembers that one really well.
My daughter and I talk about this alot these days as she prepares to return to the States in a few years to go to college.
I have collected articles on this issue and we discuss what I have read. We watched the Help together and talked about it afterwards. Any chance I get to talk about racism with her and what she will be dealing with in returning to go to university I do. We live in her African culture, so we try to make the most of it and talk a lot about what it would be like to live in her village.
Thanks for posting this. It’s good to find ways to talk about it.